#WeStNs - Wednesday 21st October 2020 8pm (GMT Standard Time) Is It Time to Let Student Nurses Self-Roster?

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Over the years, the @WeStudentNurse team hear stories from students across the UK, who have stated that the lack of a university placement rota/shift pattern/ roster / shifts (known as rota, from hereon in) has had a detrimental impact to their mental health.

Most students are advised by their practice learning environment (PLE) that a rota will be provided on day one of their placement, although there are pockets of good practice. Due to a lack of an advance rota, students have reported that they have been unable to secure employment as they are unable to commit to set days or provide notice of their availability. In addition, students have reported that they are unable to arrange childcare, or manage caring responsibilities, for the reasons stated above.

A poll that the team conducted in October 2019, showed that 89% of the 616 students who participated said not having an advanced placement rota was having a negative impact on their mental health (Elliott, 2020).

Whilst it was never the intention of the @WeStudentNurse team to promote self-rostering, the majority of survey participants stated that this would be the preferable option.

The World Health Organisation (WHO)believe that promoting a collaborative approach between staff and mangers, in relation to work-life balance, can encourage the workforce to be healthier(Burton, 2010). In fact, where there is a lack of empathy by employers regarding this, burnout among nurses can occur (Rahman et al, 2016).  Surely, we want our future nurses to enter the world of the Newly Registered Nurse full of energy and hope, not burnt out and drained?

This tweetchat aims to explore the logistics of a self-rostering system. The issues that may present as a result and the benefits that accompany it.

Discussion:

Focussed themes include:

  1. What issues do you incur from not having a rota in advance of starting a new placement?
  2. What do you think are the potential benefits of students being able to self-roster? For universities, students and trusts.
  3. What are the possible areas for concern if students were to self-roster?
  4. How can we all work together to resolve the rostering situation?
  5. Do you know of any areas/ trusts/other healthcare professions who have examples of good practice when it comes to providing an advanced rota?

Further Reading:

Elliott, N. 2020. Time to Let Nursing Students Self-Roster.Nursing Standard. Vol 35(9).

Rahman HA, Abdul-Mumin K, Naing L. A study into psychological factors as predictors of work-related fatigue. BJN. 2016;25(13):757-763 https://www.magonlinelibrary.com/doi/abs/10.12968/bjon.2016.25.13.757[Accessed: 25 September 2019]

World Health Organisation (WHO) & Burton, Joan. 2010‎. WHO healthy workplace framework and model: background and supporting literature and practices. World Health Organization. https://apps.who.int/iris/handle/10665/113144[Accessed: 19 September 2019]





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 #WeStNs transcript

 
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:00
Welcome to tonights Tweetchat on self-rostering... we are excited to have you join us. Let us know who's joining us and where from. #WeStNs https://t.co/lfotLMgNGc
@nikkilouh
21 October 2020 20:01
@WeStudentNurse Nikki , Student Mental Health Nurse from Bradford. #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:02
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@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:02
@PerinitaS Just follow the account and we will post questions. Delighted to have you join #WeStNs
@craftjas1
21 October 2020 20:03
@WeStudentNurse 3rd year Adult Nursing :) @UWEBristol #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:03
@nikkilouh #WeStNs https://t.co/3LdJdrWTjx
@samkitchen03
21 October 2020 20:03
@PerinitaS @WeStudentNurse You're on the tweetchat! There will be some questions coming from the @WeStudentNurse account, answer the questions if you want to, read others replies and get involved in the conversation ?? #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:03
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@Rachel_A_
21 October 2020 20:03
RT @WeStudentNurse: Remember when tweeting during our tweetchat to include #WeStNs so we can find your contribution. https://t.co/U1Aw38fOCs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:03
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@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:04
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@Rachel_A_
21 October 2020 20:04
??Twitter jail nerves Join in #WeStNs https://twitter.com/WeStudentNurse/status/1318990437500121088
@samkitchen03
21 October 2020 20:04
RT @WeStudentNurse: Remember when tweeting during our tweetchat to include #WeStNs so we can find your contribution. https://t.co/U1Aw38fOCs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:04
@StNurseLee #WeStNs https://t.co/SWjWj6iRrF
@VickiG1086
21 October 2020 20:04
@WeStudentNurse Hi I’m Vicki 3rd year ?? learning disability student nurse @USWCareSciences. #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:05
Okay... lets get started with question 1. #WeStNs https://t.co/nib6OPkrxQ
@samkitchen03
21 October 2020 20:05
@HullNursing @HullNursingSoc hope some of you lovely humans are attending tonight's tweetchat ?? #WeStNs https://twitter.com/WeStudentNurse/status/1318990437500121088
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:05
@DitsyRedOne #WeStNs https://t.co/Af2hsGdEVp
@StNurseDaniel
21 October 2020 20:05
@WeStudentNurse Hi!!???? Second-year General Nursing student from Dublin, Ireland! This is my first tweetchat! ????#WeStNs
@StNurseLee
21 October 2020 20:05
@WeStudentNurse @HeatherHenry4 Hard one im personality in the camp of wanting to have my shift given to me but I do see self rostering as a good idea. My only issue is tho that it may be on a first come first served basis is not managed well as it could disadvantage some students maybe? #WeStNs
@VickiG1086
21 October 2020 20:05
@WeStudentNurse @USWNurSoc maybe a tweetchat to get involved with #WeStNs
@samkitchen03
21 October 2020 20:06
@PerinitaS @WeStudentNurse No prob! If you put #WeStNs on each thing you type it links it to the conversation so makes it easier to find but if you forget, don't worry ??
@Rebecca62473967
21 October 2020 20:06
@WeStudentNurse Hello 1st year adult nurse student at @UniOfHull #WeStNs
@samkitchen03
21 October 2020 20:06
RT @WeStudentNurse: Okay... lets get started with question 1. #WeStNs https://t.co/nib6OPkrxQ
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:06
Let’s hope not ?? #WeStNs https://twitter.com/rachel_a_/status/1318991540459610112
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:06
RT @samkitchen03: @HullNursing @HullNursingSoc hope some of you lovely humans are attending tonight's tweetchat ?? #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:07
@StNurseDaniel Delighted you could join us #WeStNs https://t.co/xtbEoQrSM8
@Rebecca62473967
21 October 2020 20:07
@WeStudentNurse Not had a placement yet but my issue will be childcare #weStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:07
How can we stop some students from being disadvantaged from a self rostering system? #WeStNs https://twitter.com/stnurselee/status/1318991855074349060
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:07
RT @VickiG1086: @WeStudentNurse @USWNurSoc maybe a tweetchat to get involved with #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:08
@Rebecca62473967 @UniOfHull #WeStNs https://t.co/wlt0O3JiBX
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:09
@Rebecca62473967 Is the the unknown shifts that will cause difficulties? #WeStNs
@Rachel_A_
21 October 2020 20:09
@WeStudentNurse Rachel - 3rd year (still thanks to ill health prompted by..... Lack of rostering and it's knock on effects. Yay) #WeStNs
@samkitchen03
21 October 2020 20:09
@WeStudentNurse Anxiety! I don't know what I'm doing or where I'm supposed to be. I don't drive so I don't know how I'll get there, I don't know what to wear (LD students is mostly smart casual, not uniformed), I don't know if/ when I'll be able to eat and I get really bad hanger ?? #WeStNs
@VickiG1086
21 October 2020 20:09
@WeStudentNurse By having a system of how it’s done, so that there are guidelines of you have to have so many A,B, C shift throughout placement #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:09
Yes! EVERYONE needs to have their voices heard... we need to sit side by aide each other at the table to understand all views ?? #WeStNs https://twitter.com/ditsyredone/status/1318992546861907968
@Rachel_A_
21 October 2020 20:10
@WeStudentNurse Don't favour some students because of personal circumstances #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:10
@Rachel_A_ We are sorry that the lack of a Rota has negatively impacted you #WeStNs
@ruth_rawson
21 October 2020 20:10
@WeStudentNurse Stress, anxiety, extra childcare fees, confused children, frustrated husband... It’s not only last minute, it’s inflexible too... not taking in to consideration my uni / study commitments, part time job or family situation #WeStNs
@Rachel_A_
21 October 2020 20:10
RT @WeStudentNurse: Okay... lets get started with question 1. #WeStNs https://t.co/nib6OPkrxQ
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:10
@samkitchen03 So many issues! Do you think a self rostering would help? #WeStNs
@nikkilouh
21 October 2020 20:10
@WeStudentNurse I think it should be looking at the rota with all the students reguardless of the year and then look at the numbers and have a discusission and hopefully this will ensure better rotas for all and some compromise. #WeStNs
@StNurseLee
21 October 2020 20:11
@VickiG1086 @WeStudentNurse thats a good idea #WeStNs
@VickiG1086
21 October 2020 20:11
@WeStudentNurse @Rebecca62473967 Yes completely, definitely for parents. For me as a single parent of a child with additional needs not having the advance Rota can have an effect on her mental health because she doesn’t know what to expect #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:11
@Rachel_A_ How can this be stopped though? #WeStNs
@lucy_uo
21 October 2020 20:12
@WeStudentNurse Mainly for me it's hospital appointments. I can change them if I need to, but the less notice I have of that the less likely it is they can fill that appointment. Also my other half works shifts, so if I'm working days while he's on night shifts we don't see each other #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:12
Does one week in advance seem like a unreasonable request #WeStNs https://twitter.com/rebecca62473967/status/1318993064514457600
@StNurseDaniel
21 October 2020 20:13
@WeStudentNurse Mainly anxiety! I like to know where I am going and like to investigate common conditions/patients and whether its specialist, the A&P and common skills I'll encounter. I live close to my partner hospital so travel is not an issue. #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:13
So many things are impacted #WeStNs https://twitter.com/ruth_rawson/status/1318993085565632513
@DitsyRedOne
21 October 2020 20:13
@WeStudentNurse I've had students having difficulties with childcare, care of another dependent such as parent, travel time and cost, inability to plan social activities or even study periods effectively. #WeStNs
@nikkilouh
21 October 2020 20:13
@WeStudentNurse I like to plan my travel in advance as I can't drive so as long as i know the shift patterns I can plan accordingly and try and get the first couple of weeks sorted if I can on the first day. #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:13
@neve_marie20 #WeStNs https://t.co/UnpBuaGdqE
@Rachel_A_
21 October 2020 20:14
@WeStudentNurse Depression (to such an extent of suicidal ideation because I was alive for placement and had nothing else left/ to look forward to) Not an exhaustive list but not knowing a roster is exhausting #WeStNs
@BrianWebster18
21 October 2020 20:14
RT @WeStudentNurse: Okay... lets get started with question 1. #WeStNs https://t.co/nib6OPkrxQ
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:14
Have we considered the impact it has not just the the student nurse, but their loved ones too? #WeStNs https://twitter.com/vickig1086/status/1318993347869016066
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:14
#WeStNs https://twitter.com/rachel_a_/status/1318993370296029186
@Rachel_A_
21 October 2020 20:14
RT @WeStudentNurse: Have we considered the impact it has not just the the student nurse, but their loved ones too? #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:15
Question 2.... #WeStNs https://t.co/6z9iy1TNgB
@BrianWebster18
21 October 2020 20:15
@WeStudentNurse Sorry I am late. We know that most staff are entitled to often 4 weeks advanced rota, why not the students? #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:15
Sounds like all areas of health are impacted, not only the mental health of the student nurse #WeStNs https://twitter.com/rachel_a_/status/1318993409168859137
@VickiG1086
21 October 2020 20:15
@nikkilouh @WeStudentNurse The thing is nurses have weeks of rotas in advance , we are lucky if we have a day (I have one Rota day for my next placement in a week) if they sort out who is your mentor then you can work along with their rota, but also factoring in our needs too #WeStNs
@lucy_uo
21 October 2020 20:15
@ruth_rawson @WeStudentNurse Usually I've been lucky and placements have let me work around prior commitments, I've had to cancel appointments and things though because I need to be on placement #WeStNs
@PerinitaS
21 October 2020 20:15
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@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:16
How often have you been told you have an unreasonable attitude for requesting a Rota? Has it had an impact on you? Good or bad? #WeStNs https://twitter.com/rachel_a_/status/1318993522767310854
@Rachel_A_
21 October 2020 20:16
@WeStudentNurse Trigger warning: Absolutely no one should be worried that they'll find a loved one dead because of how low & trapped they feel because of a completely avoidable stressor #WeStNs
@ruth_rawson
21 October 2020 20:16
@WeStudentNurse Nursery spaces, and before and after clubs are full way in advance. 4 weeks is a more realistic timeframe for parents to work with #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:16
#WeStNs https://twitter.com/rachel_a_/status/1318993660709580800
@BrianWebster18
21 October 2020 20:16
@WeStudentNurse Attrition reduction Recruitment increase (particularly from widening access) Better work-life balance Better opportunity to work (if financially necessary) Makes nurse more appealing? #WeStNs
@StNurseDaniel
21 October 2020 20:17
@WeStudentNurse Having a rota in advance would allow me some time to organise myself in advance. Work just piles up so fast when you're on placement. Social life and studying has to go on hold until I find out the rota. #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:17
Anxiety seems to be a popular theme for tonight. Is it fair? #WeStNs https://twitter.com/stnursedaniel/status/1318993707606155266
@StNurseLee
21 October 2020 20:17
@VickiG1086 @WeStudentNurse @Rebecca62473967 Deffo. As someone who is autistic I am in similar having my rota in advance helps. on my last 2 placement i have been in the position of unofficially self rostering, this was not good for me as it meant it was harder to be on with my mentor. #WeStNs
@samkitchen03
21 October 2020 20:17
I don't have kids but feel like when I say something I need or want, it seems to mean less to others as it's only me that's dependant on it. My needs are just as valid as everyone else's! #WeStNs https://twitter.com/Rachel_A_/status/1318993522767310854
@PerinitaS
21 October 2020 20:17
#weStNs I think it gives students the flexibility to work a shift at a time that suits them. However if you compare it to working actual paid work, employers may not give flexibility, but this is up to the employer on the other hand https://twitter.com/WeStudentNurse/status/1318994210675064832
@Rachel_A_
21 October 2020 20:18
No. And it goes to show how desperate we feel that even one week would make a difference #WeStNs https://twitter.com/WeStudentNurse/status/1318993635766095873
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:18
Have a look at Rachel’s list of the impact not having a Rota in advance has had on her... how many do you identify with? #WeStNs https://twitter.com/rachel_a_/status/1318993962854645761
@Rachel_A_
21 October 2020 20:18
RT @WeStudentNurse: So many things are impacted #WeStNs
@BrianWebster18
21 October 2020 20:19
@WeStudentNurse Sorry I am late I was co-chairing an amazing webinar with @14StaciePUNC and fellow students and panellists via @UNISONOurNHS @UNISONStudentNN @StuartTuckwood I am Brian, 3rd year nursing student (Adult) and my dissertation topic is on self rostering #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:19
#WeStNs https://twitter.com/perinitas/status/1318994159672479744
@VickiG1086
21 October 2020 20:19
@DitsyRedOne @WeStudentNurse And this is a huge portion of student nurses because they come into nurse mostly from those personal experience, but then can’t continue the care for the relatives that made them want to become a nurse. It’s really disheartening #WeStNs
@AutisticPb
21 October 2020 20:19
@WeStudentNurse @Rachel_A_ I have been reading your contributions to this evening's #WeStNs chat and they are so interesting. I really hope you don't end up in Twitter jail.
@samkitchen03
21 October 2020 20:19
@Rebecca62473967 Really great points. It can be so difficult to keep up with hobbies and friends while a student nurse, especially on placement. Do you think self-rostering might help with this? #WeStNs
@Rachel_A_
21 October 2020 20:19
@VickiG1086 @nikkilouh @WeStudentNurse My mentor swapped shifts and tgey told me 2 weeks later.... the day before the shift! #WeStNs
@nikkilouh
21 October 2020 20:20
@VickiG1086 @WeStudentNurse It is sightly easier now you have Practice asessors and Practice supervisors as you don't need to be on shift all the time with mentors. #WeStNs
@BrianWebster18
21 October 2020 20:20
RT @WeStudentNurse: Sounds like all areas of health are impacted, not only the mental health of the student nurse #WeStNs https://t.co/sJZw…
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:20
Excellent point... if staff are entitled to an advance rota, why aren’t students? Was this the case for those who chose to go on paid placement? #WeStNs https://twitter.com/brianwebster18/status/1318994234364538882
@samkitchen03
21 October 2020 20:20
RT @WeStudentNurse: Question 2.... #WeStNs https://t.co/6z9iy1TNgB
@lucy_uo
21 October 2020 20:20
@WeStudentNurse I think that if you keep certain rules, e.g. you have to be in with your mentor/assessor on at least 2 shifts, that way hopefully all the students will have to spread out their shifts? #WeStNs
@BrianWebster18
21 October 2020 20:20
@WeStudentNurse It was, of course because they became employees they had (or should have) advanced rota as it was contractual obligation #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:21
Is this an effective welcome? What pressures are staff facing that they can’t provide students with this information? #WeStNs https://twitter.com/vickig1086/status/1318994328690315266
@samkitchen03
21 October 2020 20:21
@BrianWebster18 @WeStudentNurse Really important points! How do you think recruitment might increase through self rostering? #WeStNs
@DitsyRedOne
21 October 2020 20:21
@WeStudentNurse It's horrifically hard to know someone you love is being made to feel lacking for simply wanting to know what shifts they have, but being unable to help sort it out for them! All we can do is determine that no student we work with will ever suffer the same. #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:21
#WeStNs https://twitter.com/craftjas1/status/1318994341118021633
@StNurseLee
21 October 2020 20:21
@WeStudentNurse Benefit could help students who have commitments ie childcare to work shifts better. As for uni to run classes and skills better. #WeStNs
@BrianWebster18
21 October 2020 20:21
RT @WeStudentNurse: Question 2.... #WeStNs https://t.co/6z9iy1TNgB
@lucy_uo
21 October 2020 20:21
@Rachel_A_ @WeStudentNurse What would count as 'personal circumstances'? #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:22
#WeStNs https://twitter.com/rebecca62473967/status/1318994609524117506
@BrianWebster18
21 October 2020 20:22
@samkitchen03 @WeStudentNurse if it became standard practice, it might make the hundreds (if not thousands) of people who want to studying nursing, apply, who dont due to shifts and shift work #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:22
Would it have a wider impact? Would there be reduced attrition? Would more people enter the profession? #WeStNs https://twitter.com/brianwebster18/status/1318994662141665280
@NurseBenRSCN
21 October 2020 20:23
@WeStudentNurse There are so many benefits from work-life balance, reducing anxiety and burnout, and making nursing attractive to recruit, train, retain! We all know how much easier things can be when we can plan our lives a little. #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:23
Do you feel your life goes on hold while you are on placement as a result? #WeStNs https://twitter.com/stnursedaniel/status/1318994723399438339
@samkitchen03
21 October 2020 20:23
@WeStudentNurse It would give me more feeling of autonomy. When I qualify, I choose where I work, what hours, how I get there etc. When on placement, I have pretty much no control over any aspect of my life as we're expected to drop everything for. That would be MEGA for my mental health #WeStNs
@BrianWebster18
21 October 2020 20:23
Shocking example, imagine only being offered one day (1) #WeStNs https://twitter.com/VickiG1086/status/1318994328690315266
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:24
@StNurseLee @VickiG1086 @Rebecca62473967 Hopefully the PA/PS system will alleviate the need to work with a mentor for a time period #WeStNs
@VickiG1086
21 October 2020 20:24
@BrianWebster18 That is my rota atm #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:24
RT @Rachel_A_: No. And it goes to show how desperate we feel that even one week would make a difference #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:24
#WeStNs https://twitter.com/amierudge/status/1318995093303578625
@samkitchen03
21 October 2020 20:24
@BrianWebster18 @WeStudentNurse Good point! Is this a common reason for people not to get into nursing in the first place? #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:25
Question 3... #WeStNs https://t.co/IizV7mOHsS
@lucy_uo
21 October 2020 20:25
@WeStudentNurse 1 week isn't really much, especially if you have kids. Most nurseries would want you to pay even if you don't bring your kids in and wouldn't let you change your days, because they have to go by ratios for how many kids are in #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:25
@BrianWebster18 @14StaciePUNC @UNISONOurNHS @UNISONStudentNN @StuartTuckwood #WeStNs https://t.co/21hlEREyZ9
@Rachel_A_
21 October 2020 20:25
@AmieRudge @WeStudentNurse Swapping or not attending was NOT an option. That was made clear. I begged for a Monday off so I could see my then partner cos I was really struggling with my mental health (which I was open about) "Matron won't like that" No concern for my welfare. At all. #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:25
@BrianWebster18 @14StaciePUNC @UNISONOurNHS @UNISONStudentNN @StuartTuckwood Hope it went well #WeStNs
@BrianWebster18
21 October 2020 20:25
@NurseBenRSCN @WeStudentNurse Great to have you on board #WeStNs I am playing catch up
@BrianWebster18
21 October 2020 20:25
RT @WeStudentNurse: Question 3... #WeStNs https://t.co/IizV7mOHsS
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:25
#WeStNs https://twitter.com/rickimarie7/status/1318995474813210624
@ruth_rawson
21 October 2020 20:26
@WeStudentNurse Students are in control of their learning journey - developing as a responsible, autonomous practitioner. Placements provide a framework for students to work within - covering NMC guidelines. They can take a backward step from micromanding the student experience #WeStNs
@reboverend_RNc
21 October 2020 20:26
@WeStudentNurse Anxiety is not uncommon for novel situations- but we should be reducing it as much as possible. Part of effective learning environment is welcoming into the team, knowing you are wanted there, understanding expectations of work- and that includes when you should be there! #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:26
@PerinitaS That’s okay- it’s your first tweetchat! #WeStNs
@Rachel_A_
21 October 2020 20:26
@WeStudentNurse Improved wellbeing improves attrition, grades, likelihood of recruitment & longevity of career. Also better wellbeing is evidenced to benefit patient care #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:26
A good solution? #WeStNs https://twitter.com/lucy_uo/status/1318995619135033351
@VickiG1086
21 October 2020 20:26
@WeStudentNurse Yes completely and it’s a never ending cycle #WeStNs
@StNurseLee
21 October 2020 20:26
@WeStudentNurse @VickiG1086 @Rebecca62473967 I'm still on the old programme at my uni. So got a mentor and the subsequent years all on the new one. Its going to make things a bit odd potentially up here #WeStNs
@StNurseDaniel
21 October 2020 20:27
@WeStudentNurse Most definitely! If I know I have placement, I won't plan or accept any social activities because I don't want to have to cancel last minute due to assignments, tiredness and/or rostering. #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:27
Student contracts are perhaps a whole other tweetchat ?? #WeStNs https://twitter.com/brianwebster18/status/1318995718435041281
@NurseBenRSCN
21 October 2020 20:27
@WeStudentNurse Personally, I feel most things could be mitigated. If people are worried about not spending enough time with supervisors and assessors; stipulate need for X amount of shifts with dedicated team. Need for fair mix of shifts (LD/N/Wkend/BH) #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:27
#WeStNs https://twitter.com/vickig1086/status/1318995803407613955
@BrianWebster18
21 October 2020 20:27
@WeStudentNurse It might cause an "us & them" Students might try to exploit the ability Students might pressure/influence others to select certain shifts It might mean missed learning It might mean you dont experience that area over a realistic time frame (I am an advocate, I promise) #WeStNs
@samkitchen03
21 October 2020 20:27
@Rebecca62473967 Absolutely agree. I think the only way it would work if staff felt the benefit too. Do you think they would see a difference in you if you were able to keep up things you enjoy? #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:28
Empowerment! This could be achieved through self rostering #WeStNs https://twitter.com/reboverend_rnc/status/1318996130148081664
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:28
#WeStNs https://twitter.com/ditsyredone/status/1318996140080115726
@VickiG1086
21 October 2020 20:28
@lucy_uo @WeStudentNurse It wales Nursery’s want a month in advance notice #WeStNs
@BrianWebster18
21 October 2020 20:28
@samkitchen03 @WeStudentNurse I couldn't say, but I had to think long and hard personally and have friends who like the idea but dont feel they could accommodate to 24 hour range of shifts #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:28
Would it stop people from dropping out of their course? #WeStNs https://twitter.com/brianwebster18/status/1318996167737344001
@samkitchen03
21 October 2020 20:28
@VickiG1086 @WeStudentNurse @DitsyRedOne This is such a mega point!!! Student nurses who are also carers don't get talked about enough #WeStNs
@BrianWebster18
21 October 2020 20:29
Amazing points #WeStNs https://twitter.com/reboverend_RNc/status/1318996130148081664
@ruth_rawson
21 October 2020 20:29
@BrianWebster18 @WeStudentNurse A framework would be essential, covering NMC rules I.e. experience of the 24/7 service #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:29
Do you feel a lack of control over not having a Rota? #WeStNs https://twitter.com/samkitchen03/status/1318996354945998853
@reboverend_RNc
21 October 2020 20:30
@VickiG1086 @nikkilouh @WeStudentNurse I want to cry listening to this- there is no need for it! You are SUPERNUMERARY and therefore it makes no difference to established staff rotas! You are in a learning role and that means making learning work for you! #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:30
Do you feel valued as a student when you aren’t given a Rota in advance? #WeStNs https://twitter.com/ditsyredone/status/1318996410642071553
@BrianWebster18
21 October 2020 20:30
@lucy_uo @WeStudentNurse I agree, there would need to be set parameters/rules/guidelines #WeStNs
@Rachel_A_
21 October 2020 20:30
As a student who has a cervix and has periods, I would be able to easier access sexual health services such as smears and contraception. Both my smear & coil were a nightmare to sort because of inflexible placement. Smear, then colposcopy revealed CIN1. Thank God I went #WeStNs https://twitter.com/WeStudentNurse/status/1318994210675064832
@VickiG1086
21 October 2020 20:30
@StNurseLee @WeStudentNurse @Rebecca62473967 I’m the same still on the old programme #WeStNs
@samkitchen03
21 October 2020 20:30
RT @WeStudentNurse: Question 3... #WeStNs https://t.co/IizV7mOHsS
@Rachel_A_
21 October 2020 20:30
@WeStudentNurse Once is too often #WeStNs
@StNurseLee
21 October 2020 20:31
@VickiG1086 @WeStudentNurse @Rebecca62473967 It will be interesting to see how it affects us in this mix #WeStNs
@Rachel_A_
21 October 2020 20:31
RT @WeStudentNurse: Anxiety seems to be a popular theme for tonight. Is it fair? #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:31
@Rebecca62473967 However, student nurses should be supernumerary #WeStNs
@nikkilouh
21 October 2020 20:31
@WeStudentNurse Able to plan things like uni work , studying , meetings , appointments etc #WeStNs
@Rhys_Marv
21 October 2020 20:31
@WeStudentNurse #WeStNs ???????? oops
@Rachel_A_
21 October 2020 20:31
@WeStudentNurse #WeStNs https://t.co/EkTI3jHShk
@VickiG1086
21 October 2020 20:31
@WeStudentNurse I did have my rota and I was able to pick days to work from home also. But as we were paid possibly they felt we was part of a team #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:32
How do we break the cycle? #WeStNs https://twitter.com/vickig1086/status/1318997210000969731
@Rachel_A_
21 October 2020 20:32
@WeStudentNurse No Rota signs & symptoms bingo ?? #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:32
Is it fair that we expect students to do put their life on hold? #WeStNs https://twitter.com/stnursedaniel/status/1318997229882015750
@Rebecca62473967
21 October 2020 20:32
They should but if we are speaking about every nurse this would apply #WeStNs https://twitter.com/WeStudentNurse/status/1318998281054228481
@BrianWebster18
21 October 2020 20:33
@RickiMarie7 Remember, moving forward, there is no % of time needed to be spend with practice assessors/supervisors #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:33
This is the exact sort of attitude we need to help students. Instead of placing barriers in the way and saying it’s not possible... work with us and let us know what is possible #WeStNs https://twitter.com/nursebenrscn/status/1318997294444912641
@samkitchen03
21 October 2020 20:33
@WeStudentNurse A student might tailor their placement to just times they find enjoyable which might mean missing out on vital learning opportunities e.g. rostering towards/ away from members of staff or activities #WeStNs
@VickiG1086
21 October 2020 20:33
@reboverend_RNc @nikkilouh @WeStudentNurse If only this was the general attitude #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:34
@BrianWebster18 It’s important to critically analyse it though... #WeStNs
@Rachel_A_
21 October 2020 20:34
@WeStudentNurse "Just" /"only" students. As though you're a sub species with no other function or purpose other than your degree & no wellbeing needs #WeStNs
@Rhys_Marv
21 October 2020 20:34
@WeStudentNurse Is it realistic though I mean we won't get to self roster when qualified? #WeStNs
@BrianWebster18
21 October 2020 20:34
So sad that this is the experience some nursing students have to endure #WeStNs https://twitter.com/StNurseDaniel/status/1318997229882015750
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:34
@NurseBenRSCN @BrianWebster18 So are we ?? #WeStNs
@nikkilouh
21 October 2020 20:34
@WeStudentNurse Yes as I have always been told we can discuss Shifts on the first day as in a way it would be hard if they gave you shifts you couldn’t do . They only way around that is to email your availability to them . #WeStNs
@reboverend_RNc
21 October 2020 20:34
@WeStudentNurse Ok so again this is about learning to work as part of a team Follow same rules as ward area Allow students to work on rota together for negotiation skills Develop understanding that you cannot always have your ‘ideal shifts’ Learn to be compassionate to others needs #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:34
#WeStNs https://twitter.com/nursingpunc18/status/1318997667750477827
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:35
Question 4... #WeStNs https://t.co/lcbQaOLkbg
@BrianWebster18
21 October 2020 20:35
@WeStudentNurse The part I will struggle most with for my dissertation, not letting my bias in haha #WeStNs
@VickiG1086
21 October 2020 20:35
@Rhys_Marv @WeStudentNurse Not so much as I would prefer more weekends and nights #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:35
What would a framework for self rostering look like? What skills could the student nurse develop from doing this? #WeStNs https://twitter.com/ruth_rawson/status/1318997822096670722
@Rachel_A_
21 October 2020 20:35
@WeStudentNurse I told my co mentor I couldn't do the Tuesday (the bect day) and she acted like I was a horrendously bad student But is it surprising #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:35
#WeStNs https://twitter.com/ditsyredone/status/1318997952447340546
@Rachel_A_
21 October 2020 20:36
RT @WeStudentNurse: Would it have a wider impact? Would there be reduced attrition? Would more people enter the profession? #WeStNs
@BrianWebster18
21 October 2020 20:36
RT @WeStudentNurse: Question 4... #WeStNs https://t.co/lcbQaOLkbg
@nikkilouh
21 October 2020 20:36
@WeStudentNurse Some students may work with staff they get on best with , different things happen on different wards / placements different days so missed learning. #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:36
@reboverend_RNc @VickiG1086 @nikkilouh Us too... some of the comments on the survey we did last year were heartbreaking #WeStNs
@Rachel_A_
21 October 2020 20:36
@WeStudentNurse We eagerly await @BrianWebster18 dissertation to find out ?? No pressure pal #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:36
Physical health implications too #WeStNs https://twitter.com/rachel_a_/status/1318998071469105152
@Rebecca62473967
21 October 2020 20:37
By allowing everyone a fair chance but within reason. Maybe you have to work at least one type of shift per week or have to work so many weekends etc. Have a set of guidelines/rules to ensure it is fair for all the staff #WeStNs https://twitter.com/WeStudentNurse/status/1318999244100014083
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:37
good point... would it only advantage those with children/ caring responsibilities? #WeStNs https://twitter.com/rhys_marv/status/1318998166096797698
@BrianWebster18
21 October 2020 20:37
@WeStudentNurse By accepting change can be a good thing Realising the sheer size of our "voice" (look how many nursing students there are in the UK at any one time) By weighing up the advantages/disadvantages #WeStNs
@VickiG1086
21 October 2020 20:37
@Rhys_Marv @WeStudentNurse But you have weeks in advance so can arrange things. Atm how many weeks do we get in advance? #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:37
RT @nikkilouh: @WeStudentNurse Able to plan things like uni work , studying , meetings , appointments etc #WeStNs
@Rhys_Marv
21 October 2020 20:37
@VickiG1086 @WeStudentNurse I mean it was the case on my extended placement where people with children had the weekends and enhancements cos of child care and I had the standard rate and ward rounds etc (well when I could fight to get in as there was a few students on the same ward at the same time) #WeStNs
@Rachel_A_
21 October 2020 20:37
@WeStudentNurse It effects it after too. I'm too depressed and my friends etc have moved on. I feel like a burden to everyone because I've gone an entire 6 months block of placements being spoken to and treated as though I am. #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:37
@Rhys_Marv ?????? #WeStNs
@DitsyRedOne
21 October 2020 20:38
@WeStudentNurse None. Literally everything is negotiable. Within a set framework of % time with assessor/supervisor, % of nights and weekends to ensure knowledge of service. We expect students to be responsible for vulnerable acutely ill patients, so let them be adults in this. #WeStNs
@ruth_rawson
21 October 2020 20:38
@WeStudentNurse I’m going to put forward a high level proposal to introduce self rostering to the trusts my uni works with. We need to show them there is a better way! #WeStNs
@BrianWebster18
21 October 2020 20:38
@Rachel_A_ @WeStudentNurse Ill need to see if any publishers are willing to publish it first haha #WeStNs
@Rachel_A_
21 October 2020 20:38
RT @WeStudentNurse: Question 3... #WeStNs https://t.co/IizV7mOHsS
@reboverend_RNc
21 October 2020 20:38
@WeStudentNurse Use evidence to support argument Find advocates Work together Be realistic- your learning is happening in a big organisation- takes time to turnaround Recognise that many RNs want to help learning but lack support to effect change Listening on both sides needed #WeStNs
@nikkilouh
21 October 2020 20:38
@reboverend_RNc @WeStudentNurse I agree I worked with a year 2 student the other day and we both learned lots from each other . #WeStNs
@samkitchen03
21 October 2020 20:38
@WeStudentNurse I don't think it's reasonable for anyone's life to be put on hold. I don't think we can speak to patients and clients about the importance of holistic wellness and wellbeing if it's unmanageable for the staff and student nurses delivering the care #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:38
Should we feel part of the team as an unpaid student? #WeStNs https://twitter.com/vickig1086/status/1318998429222273024
@NurseBenRSCN
21 October 2020 20:39
@WeStudentNurse Like anything in healthcare; come together with ideas and generate positive steps forward. If we can see the impact this has on students (and all learners), then we need to address it sensibly, with care and pride. #WeStNs
@Rachel_A_
21 October 2020 20:39
@WeStudentNurse If it's poorly managed, taken advantage of or reasonable parameters and considerations aren't created or adhered to. Creating a free for all or disadvantaging select few #WeStNs
@BrianWebster18
21 October 2020 20:39
@DitsyRedOne @WeStudentNurse Love this #WeStNs
@lucy_uo
21 October 2020 20:39
@WeStudentNurse I was on a placement before where another student had rotaed most of their shifts with a buddy mentor, but that mentor couldn't sign her off (I wasn't to sure as why) but that meant when she needed signing off her mentor didn't really know what the student had been doing #WeStNs
@Rhys_Marv
21 October 2020 20:39
@WeStudentNurse That's what I found while on extended placement but flipped from my example (so they had weekends and enhancements). Personally I think it would only benefit those with Childcare etc #WeStNs
@BrianWebster18
21 October 2020 20:39
Well, there we have it, hit the nail on the head #WeStNs https://twitter.com/DitsyRedOne/status/1319000001629069313
@VickiG1086
21 October 2020 20:39
@Rhys_Marv @WeStudentNurse But that is unfair that’s why there needs to be guideline saying you have to do so many A,B,C shifts throughout your placement, but you would be able to plan them around other commitments in advance #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:39
What do you think? Does it set unrealistic expectations? #WeStNs https://twitter.com/rhys_marv/status/1318999069986086914
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:39
#WeStNs https://twitter.com/stnurselee/status/1318999075757428737
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:40
Some excellent skills could be gained #WeStNs https://twitter.com/reboverend_rnc/status/1318999196922503168
@BrianWebster18
21 October 2020 20:41
@Rhys_Marv @WeStudentNurse Here in scotland, @nhsfife @NHSGrampian @NHSLanarkshire @NHSOrkney and more all allow staff to self roster in some areas #WeStNs
@nikkilouh
21 October 2020 20:41
@WeStudentNurse Discuss with uni , placements, managers etc . I do think Covid has made things mor difficult so there will be times we need to adapt . #WeStNs
@Rhys_Marv
21 October 2020 20:41
@VickiG1086 @WeStudentNurse To be fair my upcoming placement has a rolling rota so I know what the pattern is. But normally I know what the Monday entails then find out on the Monday ?? #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:41
@NurseBenRSCN Would it be okay to get in touch with you after tonight to discuss further? #WeStNs
@StNurseLee
21 October 2020 20:41
@WeStudentNurse I would say that there are many situations where placements only get short notice of what students are coming and what accommodations they need as well. #WeStNs
@samkitchen03
21 October 2020 20:41
YES student nurses need to realise the size of our "voice"!!! #WeStNs https://twitter.com/BrianWebster18/status/1318999904556097537
@VickiG1086
21 October 2020 20:41
@Rhys_Marv @WeStudentNurse Which is not idea for anyone #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:42
#WeStNs https://twitter.com/milllaayyy/status/1318999553387933697
@Rachel_A_
21 October 2020 20:42
Just so you know, these answers by my wonderful aunt are inspired by what she has heard from students since I started placements , & what she sees on Twitter. She know has Rota conversations early as possible with students ?? Proud neice #WeStNs https://twitter.com/DitsyRedOne/status/1319000001629069313
@ruth_rawson
21 October 2020 20:42
@Rhys_Marv @WeStudentNurse I will be choosing an NQN role with hours that suit my personal situation. It’s not realistic to expect students to fit in with several different working patterns over the duration of their course. #WeStNs
@NurseBenRSCN
21 October 2020 20:42
@WeStudentNurse Regarding the discussions around worry for shifts to be taken and the last not getting a look in for choice; there needs to be a requests process and someone overseeing the student rota to confirm or change shifts accordingly. Lots of things can help these issues. #WeStNs
@Rhys_Marv
21 October 2020 20:42
@VickiG1086 @WeStudentNurse Do we need to change it so like a month before we all know the placement and have a meeting with Band 7s and Prac Facs to facilitate this discussion #WeStNs
@samkitchen03
21 October 2020 20:43
@ruth_rawson @WeStudentNurse Oooh this is so exciting!! Wonder if any more students will be feeling inspired to do the same after tonight's tweetchat? #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:43
It has a lasting effect #WeStNs https://twitter.com/rachel_a_/status/1318999988937084933
@samkitchen03
21 October 2020 20:43
RT @WeStudentNurse: Question 4... #WeStNs https://t.co/lcbQaOLkbg
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:43
@BrianWebster18 @DitsyRedOne So do we ?? #WeStNs
@reboverend_RNc
21 October 2020 20:43
@nikkilouh @WeStudentNurse Yes! Learning happens much better when the gaps are smaller & can be collaboratively worked out. I may have tons of info but know it’s a double edged sword- my age & experience may make me less relatable! Can create a ‘big gap’ in knowledge & connection- but that’s ok ?? #WeStNs
@VickiG1086
21 October 2020 20:44
@Rhys_Marv @WeStudentNurse And yes I think that would be ideal, but we don’t always know where we going that far ahead either #WeStNs
@Rachel_A_
21 October 2020 20:44
@StNurseLee @WeStudentNurse We used to self roster in theatre recovery. There were rules like you can't pick the same days etc Worked much better than a random Rota #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:44
@ruth_rawson Do let us know what we can do to help... or even collaborate. Together we are stronger #WeStNs
@VickiG1086
21 October 2020 20:44
#WeStNs https://twitter.com/rhys_marv/status/1319001250646663168
@Rhys_Marv
21 October 2020 20:44
@ruth_rawson @WeStudentNurse But surely when you placement we need to follow a Mentor/Supervision and they work a mix of shifts and to experience a range of different things ? #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:45
Question 5... #WeStNs https://t.co/DJa6vOd1Ki
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:45
Such a great point #WeStNs https://twitter.com/samkitchen03/status/1319000105035436035
@DitsyRedOne
21 October 2020 20:45
@WeStudentNurse I'm mortified this is even a question. If a team cannot ensure a decent welcome for a student and make them feel like they belong and are valued, they should not be accepting students. Pay is irrelevant to belonging. #WeStNs
@reboverend_RNc
21 October 2020 20:45
@WeStudentNurse Learning to be a Nurse is not just about the doing- it’s the learning to work with others, be with others. Having a common purpose and creating a support network. There is so much more to professional behaviours than what happens at the bedside ?? #WeStNs
@Rhys_Marv
21 October 2020 20:46
@VickiG1086 @WeStudentNurse No but is this an issue for those higher up and I've heard qualis now say that when they were in uni it was all set up so they knew where they were in yr 1 for all 3 years??? #WeStNs
@Rachel_A_
21 October 2020 20:46
@RickiMarie7 Yes but that can't be set in stone. It should then be looked at with the rest of the student Rota "applications" to avoid clashes if student numbers etc #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:46
What would a self roster framework look like that was in line with @nmcnews guidelines? #WeStNs https://twitter.com/ditsyredone/status/1319000677163597824
@Rachel_A_
21 October 2020 20:46
RT @WeStudentNurse: Student contracts are perhaps a whole other tweetchat ?? #WeStNs
@Rachel_A_
21 October 2020 20:47
@WeStudentNurse What date is that Natalie looool Shot gun not me! #WeStNs
@reboverend_RNc
21 October 2020 20:47
@DitsyRedOne @WeStudentNurse Well said!! ???????? #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:47
This is a great point from Lee- sometimes our placement providers aren’t given notice of our arrival #WeStNs https://twitter.com/stnurselee/status/1319000910333464577
@BrianWebster18
21 October 2020 20:47
RT @WeStudentNurse: Question 5... #WeStNs https://t.co/DJa6vOd1Ki
@lucy_uo
21 October 2020 20:47
@WeStudentNurse Hmm...some wards do allow self-rostaring, and every ward I've ever had placement on has had some way of helping staff with extra needs e.g. allowing them set days, and staff can switch shifts with each other #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:47
Is it a mindset thing? #WeStNs https://twitter.com/childnurseshan/status/1319000943447375878
@VickiG1086
21 October 2020 20:48
@Rhys_Marv @WeStudentNurse And that would be amazing forward planning #WeStNs
@ruth_rawson
21 October 2020 20:48
@WeStudentNurse No! It is not the role of placement to set expectations in relation to working hours or patterns - it is to facilitate learning opportunities. Let students take responsibility for our learning journey. #WeStNs
@samkitchen03
21 October 2020 20:48
@WeStudentNurse If self-rostering works for student nurses, maybe they could take it into their future workplace and trial it there to see if it works? Ways of working don't have to be static #WeStNs
@VickiG1086
21 October 2020 20:48
#WeStNs https://twitter.com/westudentnurse/status/1319002129462419457
@VickiG1086
21 October 2020 20:49
#WeStNs https://twitter.com/lucy_uo/status/1319002404688400384
@Rhys_Marv
21 October 2020 20:49
@WeStudentNurse I've never seem this self-rostering at all ... all I know is that staff has a certain amount of requests per month but at management discretion #WeStNs
@samkitchen03
21 October 2020 20:49
@WeStudentNurse When we qualify we'll have autonomy over where we go (there are quite a lot of nursing jobs available right now!) and we'll have a little more money to play around with for driving and cars etc. #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:49
@Rhys_Marv @VickiG1086 Is it just an issue for those higher up? Do students not have a responsibility to speak up and be heard? #WeStNs
@UNISONStudentNN
21 October 2020 20:49
Brilliant point! #WeStNs https://twitter.com/DitsyRedOne/status/1319001955725938691
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:50
#WeStNs https://twitter.com/childnurseshan/status/1319002102849556482
@UNISONStudentNN
21 October 2020 20:50
Thoughts? We need collective action and voices on this. #WeStNs https://twitter.com/WeStudentNurse/status/1318999244100014083
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:50
@Rachel_A_ #WeStNs https://t.co/DasSDRR8C2
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:50
#WeStNs https://twitter.com/nursingpunc18/status/1319002281837268995
@Rachel_A_
21 October 2020 20:50
Perhaps the saddest (or even scariest) part is those closest to me had no idea how badly it was effecting me. The things said to me on placement (tough this is it kind of things) shamed me into not talking, not reaching out #WeStNs https://twitter.com/DitsyRedOne/status/1318995748457951235
@Rachel_A_
21 October 2020 20:51
RT @WeStudentNurse: Empowerment! This could be achieved through self rostering #WeStNs
@ruth_rawson
21 October 2020 20:51
@Rhys_Marv @WeStudentNurse I’m currently self rostering and I’m choosing shifts to work with Supervisors who take time to teach me, ensuring I choose a mix of shifts across the week. My learning is my priority and as a result I’m get so many more proficiencies signed off! #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:51
@lucy_uo And have there been issues with self rostering when you’ve witnessed it? #WeStNs
@Rhys_Marv
21 October 2020 20:51
@WeStudentNurse @VickiG1086 I mean I'm guessing things have changed eoth allocations etc? I mean I don't know how it all works ???? #WeStNs
@Rachel_A_
21 October 2020 20:51
RT @WeStudentNurse: Would it stop people from dropping out of their course? #WeStNs
@Rachel_A_
21 October 2020 20:51
RT @WeStudentNurse: Do you feel a lack of control over not having a Rota? #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:52
#WeStNs but we are getting there... slow and steady https://twitter.com/nursingpunc18/status/1319002607961198594
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:52
@Kayleig29345413 Have there ever been issues with it? #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:52
#WeStNs https://twitter.com/kayleig29345413/status/1319002783127883776
@DitsyRedOne
21 October 2020 20:52
@WeStudentNurse manager + it was agreed I could speak to all the other B7 team leads across district in Hillingdon at our next B7 meeting. I was given time to put my case at the end of the meeting and every team lead (8 teams in the area) agreed there and then to give minimum 2 weeks (2)#WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:52
@shakilak @wlv_health #WeStNs https://t.co/xRGfXcWaSy
@StNurseLee
21 October 2020 20:52
@WeStudentNurse This would need to be worked out at local level ie with the uni(s) and the heath board they are in and come to an agreement with meets local and course requirements. In the discussion have people from every level involved. #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:52
#WeStNs https://twitter.com/t_garner5/status/1319002854649221120
@Rhys_Marv
21 October 2020 20:52
@ruth_rawson @WeStudentNurse Surely the competencies can be met in any placement? #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:53
#WeStNs https://twitter.com/stnbecca2/status/1319003074913095681
@reboverend_RNc
21 October 2020 20:53
@ruth_rawson @WeStudentNurse Yes!!! #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:53
@Stnbecca2 You are not alone with this ?? #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:53
#WeStNs https://twitter.com/ditsyredone/status/1319003113467138051
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:53
RT @UNISONStudentNN: Thoughts? We need collective action and voices on this. #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:54
#WeStNs https://twitter.com/nursebenrscn/status/1319003214105149444
@samkitchen03
21 October 2020 20:54
@WeStudentNurse Community placements are usually fixed hours (9am-5pm, Mon-Fri). Those days and times don't work for everyone but at least you get an idea so you can plan how basic needs will be met e.g. food/ clothes/ care for family or pets you support #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:54
@BrianWebster18 @nursingPUNC18 @NurseBenRSCN @CNOEngland @MRadford_HEECN @FionaCMcQueen @clairesmith55 @nhsggcdon @CNOEngland and @MRadford_HEECN have both been willing to listen and open conversations #WeStNs
@DitsyRedOne
21 October 2020 20:54
@WeStudentNurse if they calls ahead of time to ask. They are also given the names of staff who will support (mentor and co-mentor and now supervisor assessor) and we put a sign on the door with those names and the student's name to welcome them. Anyone who says 'the student' is corrected.#WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:55
Do you have any final thoughts? Have the discussions tonight changed your opinions on self-rostering for student nurses? #WeStNs https://t.co/1RHVJN6rh5
@ItsEmilyKaty
21 October 2020 20:55
It causes a great deal of stress and anxiety for many students. It creates a lot of uncertainty not knowing how the next month or so of my life will be like. It’s also impossible to book in therapy/appointments, and also plan social stuff. #WeStNs https://twitter.com/westudentnurse/status/1318991694600245250
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:55
#WeStNs https://twitter.com/nursingpunc18/status/1319003497149464577
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:55
Should the responsibility be left or each locality or agreed at a more national level? #WeStNs https://twitter.com/stnurselee/status/1319003753283014656
@VickiG1086
21 October 2020 20:56
@samkitchen03 @WeStudentNurse And this was my easiest placement to make arrangements for other commitments #WeStNs and they understood there are things which can’t be done on weekends so allowed flexible hours too.
@Rhys_Marv
21 October 2020 20:56
@BrianWebster18 @WeStudentNurse @nhsfife @NHSGrampian @NHSLanarkshire @NHSOrkney I've never seem this self-rostering at all ... all I know is that staff has a certain amount of requests per month but at management discretion #WeStNs in wales
@BrianWebster18
21 October 2020 20:56
@samkitchen03 @WeStudentNurse Could not agree more #WeStNs
@ruth_rawson
21 October 2020 20:56
@WeStudentNurse And this is because so many placement areas are busy and understaffed. Self rostering means they would only need to provide the student with 2/3 Supervisor’s rosters and we would plan our own roster - within an agreed framework. #WeStNs
@lucy_uo
21 October 2020 20:56
@WeStudentNurse We're always told our placements at least 4 weeks in advance (covid hasn't helped... but our uni still mainly managed 4 weeks), should we be calling placements straight away if we have extra needs? #WeStNs
@reboverend_RNc
21 October 2020 20:56
@WeStudentNurse Yes. And curiosity and creativity can only thrive when we have space and time to explore, critique & reflect on new ideas. You all bring that! Yet time to continue often gets squeezed out by the ‘job’.... keep being curious & open- then you will be open to future #WeStNs!!
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:56
#WeStNs https://twitter.com/nursebenrscn/status/1319004042853601281
@AutisticPb
21 October 2020 20:57
@WeStudentNurse I think it will impact student nurses because of the amount of uncertainty as a result of this. #WeStNs
@Rachel_A_
21 October 2020 20:57
@reboverend_RNc @WeStudentNurse I didn't suffer from anxiety in a more than "nerves" sense until a few weeks into my first placement #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:57
#WeStNs https://twitter.com/rachel_a_/status/1319004551647723529
@BrianWebster18
21 October 2020 20:57
@WeStudentNurse @nursingPUNC18 @NurseBenRSCN @CNOEngland @MRadford_HEECN @FionaCMcQueen @clairesmith55 @nhsggcdon I might send some emails here in Scotland ??#WeStNs
@NurseBenRSCN
21 October 2020 20:57
@WeStudentNurse Just thank you. There have been so many great ideas, and now my brain is buzzing with endless possibilities... #WeStNs
@VickiG1086
21 October 2020 20:57
@DitsyRedOne @WeStudentNurse On my one placement I was referred to as ‘Stu’ because it’s easier apparently #WeStNs I reply with its vicki
@Rachel_A_
21 October 2020 20:58
@WeStudentNurse Give us minimum notice of rosters At least #WeStNs https://t.co/YWEKvp7ZB4
@Rachel_A_
21 October 2020 20:58
RT @WeStudentNurse: Question 4... #WeStNs https://t.co/lcbQaOLkbg
@reboverend_RNc
21 October 2020 20:59
@NurseBenRSCN @nursingPUNC18 @WeStudentNurse @CNOEngland @MRadford_HEECN Absolutely agree with this! #WeStNs
@WeStudentNurse
21 October 2020 20:59
@NurseBenRSCN You are welcome- thank you so much for joining us and most importantly, Been willing to discuss the possibility of change to improve the lives of student nurses #WeStNs
@Rhys_Marv
21 October 2020 20:59
@BrianWebster18 @WeStudentNurse @nhsfife @NHSGrampian @NHSLanarkshire @NHSOrkney I mean I haven't had an issue when in placement and needing to change a shift for an appointment etc (maybe I've been lucky) #WeStNs




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